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Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.18 20:34:00 - [1] Edited by: Ji Sama on 18/03/2009 20:34:59 I am seeing an increase in hauler scams, it has happened over the last couple of days... i see alot of collatoral payments (about 2%, up from less than 0.1%) is anyone else seeing something like this? i can see its the batches that has tier 4 items that get lost :( guess i shold raise collatoral then... "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.19 08:41:00 - [2] Edited by: Ji Sama on 19/03/2009 08:42:00 well as a consequence we have cancelled all hauling contracts pending an investigation... "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.19 12:59:00 - [3] well i haul alot, and when i haul as much as i do, i need to keep the haulers happy, and when we are talking sums in the hundreds of million, i tend to cut of some. that way ill get a hauler to take the contract faster, same reason my payouts are bigger, so they actually make money hauling for me... but you are right, no one to blame but myself.. the reason for writing is that i saw an increase of several hundred percent over the last few days... "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.19 14:38:00 - [4] learn 2 read.. i said there was no one to blame but myself... its a scam when you accept a contract with the intent to break it... "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.19 19:03:00 - [5] is that to me? if so it makes no sense... i reward handsomely any hauler that have worked for me will agree to that... my contracts are very generous... what i did wrong, was lower my collateral just around 5-10 sometimes 15 percent, to get the contract fired off faster... i havent lost more than a couple of millions perhaps 50 million so its really peanuts, the point of the OP is if anyone else has seen an increase over the last few days.... "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.19 19:17:00 - [6] Edited by: Ji Sama on 19/03/2009 19:17:32 yes i have been accused of scam in local aswell when looking for haulers... quite funny that you would highsec gank someone elses freigter in your indy, carying your lootz.... well, i tend to think they arent really people but troll algorythms placed by an entity known as the one.! "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.19 19:59:00 - [7] i see, thanks for sharing that.. i just thought my old troll karma was cathing up with me! "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.19 20:31:00 - [8] Edited by: Ji Sama on 19/03/2009 20:31:20 really i am not your english teacher: google define scam please: a fraudulent business scheme/Fraudulent deal; To defraud or embezzle to the poster that talked about higher reward.. you might be right, but i am trading mostly low cost items in extreme bulks... i cant offer bigger cuts than i already am ;) good advise though, and i dont think you where just lucky... but i am creating contracts with the idea of making profits :p "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.19 20:33:00 - [9] and i dont think its smart business to scam anyone... not in the long run.... i am hoping to build a reputation... a scammer will never recover, he has to reroll... "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.19 21:56:00 - [10] rgr that, no more gambling with collatoral.... "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.20 11:10:00 - [11] Edited by: Ji Sama on 20/03/2009 11:10:07 thanks for all the constructive replies :D i can see that 20% over sell price is the way to go.. ill guess i just have to accept the orders to go a little slower then... TMP Industries will start initiating hauling contracts again (today)... Also if anyone know a respectable hauling corp i would like to know about it... since we might offer a partnership of some sought... we operate in the TMP region.. all over.. hauling more than 5 million m3 per day... could haul more, but the contract system is really nerfed (whats with the 120K m3 maximum?) "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.20 11:12:00 - [12] Originally by: glas mir I tend to set collateral above the market value of the goods I am shipping by 10-20%. More if I am shipping a small number of high value items. thus your "hauler scams" might actually be bad for the hauler not the contract creator. I do not know what statistic you are looking at but the sample might be too small over the time frame in other words it could be simple variance, one person with a lot of hauling contracts missing them or one big contract being failed - again I don't know exactly what you are measuring. well im a really nice contractor... i always give them 14 days to complete even simpel hauling contracts.... my statistic is based on the fact that i never (almost) see a contract get broken and over the last few days i saw an increse (had about 5 contracts that was scammed, lost about 100-200 million) well lesson learned... thought most haulers where legit :D "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.23 04:41:00 - [13] Originally by: ingenting Originally by: Ji Sama learn 2 read.. i said there was no one to blame but myself... its a scam when you accept a contract with the intent to break it... No, it's theft. shoo troll... your limited brain capabilities are getting stressed to the max... i can clearly see that your simple understanding of the english language is to much for you ingenting.... define: scam victimize: deprive of by deceit; "He swindled me out of my inheritance"; "She defrauded the customers who trusted her"; "the cashier gypped me when he gave me too little change" a fraudulent business scheme define: business commercial enterprise: the activity of providing goods and services involving financial and commercial and industrial aspects; A business (also called firm or an enterprise) is a legally recognized organizational entity designed to provide goods and/or services to. define: scheme an elaborate and systematic plan of action devise a system or form a scheme for theft is stealing from my ore can, scam and fraud is amongst other; accepting a contract with the intent on breaking it... bbthxkkl2rn00b "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.23 04:54:00 - [14] Originally by: Steve Thomas I consider it theft when my shipments do not show up. part of the time its because the shipment blew up in transit. I consider it a scam when (for example) you set up a haul run to low sec/o.o with the intention of them loosing the shipment. you have a point. the act of taking or reselling the stolen items are stealing and racketeering. what i argue is the accepting of a contract with the intent on dishonering the contract is a scam/fraud... "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:43:00 - [15] Originally by: ingenting Edited by: ingenting on 23/03/2009 18:38:34 Edited by: ingenting on 23/03/2009 18:38:02 Originally by: Ji Sama Originally by: ingenting Originally by: Ji Sama learn 2 read.. i said there was no one to blame but myself... its a scam when you accept a contract with the intent to break it... No, it's theft. shoo troll... your limited brain capabilities are getting stressed to the max... i can clearly see that your simple understanding of the english language is to much for you ingenting.... define: scam victimize: deprive of by deceit; "He swindled me out of my inheritance"; "She defrauded the customers who trusted her"; "the cashier gypped me when he gave me too little change" a fraudulent business scheme define: business commercial enterprise: the activity of providing goods and services involving financial and commercial and industrial aspects; A business (also called firm or an enterprise) is a legally recognized organizational entity designed to provide goods and/or services to. define: scheme an elaborate and systematic plan of action devise a system or form a scheme for theft is stealing from my ore can, scam and fraud is amongst other; accepting a contract with the intent on breaking it... bbthxkkl2rn00b fail Quote: In criminal law, theft (also known as stealing or filching) is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent. You proved yourself wrong your just to stupid to post... this is amazing.. you sir are a troll and you fail at posting... not once did i say that stealing another persons item wasnt theft, i **ing said that accepting a ing contract with the ing intent on ing breaking it, is a ing scam, get it through your **ed danish brain you little twit! stein bagger wasnt arrested for theft he was *ing arrested for FRAUD, because he SCAMMED... he didnt steal 500 million, he scammed his board of directors and used fraud to create fake contracts... "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"*
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:26:00 - [16] he just ***es me off, he is mad about something, mayby i ganked his bantam or something... this isnt the first time he does this, i remember him from way back... "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"*
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.24 04:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Tasko Pal Please stop calling it a "scam". There's no deception involved. Fraud and theft is what it is. a fraudulent business scheme, please stop using alts... "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.24 05:00:00 - [18] i respect your definition :D but i disagree, scam is a fraud is a...... anyways i see your point :D its just the troll ingenting that ticks me off, we have something called janteloven in denmark, an this troll clearly think that this jantelov (lov = law) is the shiatz... "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Dzil Originally by: ingenting Edited by: ingenting on 24/03/2009 14:53:38 u still dont get it... its like asking a trucker to transport your stuff, but instead he takes it for himself... theft. I guess it depends on whether you look at the contract system as a contract, or just as a game mechanic. If you see it as a contract, it's both: Fraud : trucker signs a contract agreeing to transport your goods from A to B. He never intends to follow through with that contract. Theft : not only does trucker fail to deliver your goods, he steals them. If you see it as purely a game mechanic, it's neither. You accept the contract by trading away the collateral for the goods, with the option to trade the goods back at another point for the collateral + reward. It's entirely your choice whether you want to do the second part, just like having stock options you don't have to exercise this choice. Anyways, it's all semantics, and really not worth the heat. Lesson learned - the contract system for couriers is only so useful. One must balance the need for speed, reliability, privacy, and cost - and there's a niche to be filled by a hauler corp that can make better guarantees than the freelancer. this.... thanks for clearing our point of difference... "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play"

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